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If you visit different channels you may see plenty of examples of "infighting" and rivalry between flat earthers. One flerf accuses the other of being a shill or controlled opposition, CIA agents, and so on.
All it takes is a differing opinion and a bit of immaturity, then name calling and accusations tend to begin. It's unfortunate and embarrassing, and tends to be something most of us are guilty of. This behavior stems off of distrust
Let's face it: Not all flat earthers have the entire truth. In Fact, NONE of us have all the facts. This is the main reason this Wiki is call the True Earth Wiki rather than the Flat Earth Wiki - because, it's not about the shape, it's about finding the truth. One of the goals of this wiki is to help bring this community together. It's okay to have different opinions and different theories - unlike modern Science, we just need to be clear on whether it's Fact or theory.
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Even globers, physicists, scientists, doctors, and preachers don't all get along! There's multiple theories of how the universe works, there's doctors calling other doctors quacks, and there's hundreds of religions and denominations of religions.
As you know, many of the things that make up the globe model have been debunked. Now all we want is the truth. We're not willing to listen to the same source for that truth. We're not interested in their new theories
We need to realize that we've all made mistakes and sometimes it's how we learn. We've all been indoctrinated with lies, so it's only natural to have some of these false beliefs until we've had time to research and relearn. Unknowingly making a mistake does not necessarily make me a CIA Agent. Repeating the same rhetoric doesn't make me a shill. Truth is a never ending subject. It's when we're done learning do we become dangerous.
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The flat earth society (which is modernly seen as a government ran organization) might fit this description, however, for the comment content creator - there's little profit in being a controlled opposition as the algorithms of the search engines will shadow ban your content from being viewed if you're even slightly on the side of flat earth.
===Points of contention between some flat earthers===
Unfortunately until these differences are finally proven, you'll have flat earthers disagree with each other. In the meantime, let's agree to disagree and Not attack each other. We're all in this together trying to find the truth.
====Earth's overall shape====
Most flat earthers will avoid using the term "Flat Earth" because it has a negative stigma as well as the fact that the earth has mountains and valleys, which aren't flat. A better description is a "topographical plane".
Out of the "topographical plane" flat earthers, there's differences in opinion whether they there is a dome firmament over a limited circular or square plane - or an infinite plane with a flat firmament above.
Meanwhile there's some who claim the earth is donut shaped, however I think they're referring to heavens AND the earth in a donut shaped field or construct, having a plane sliced through the center, and having the "hole" of the donut be the north pole area.
Some state the earth is hollow, not sure what overall shape they're referring to.
A few will claim that the earth is a simulation, and the shape is in the "eye of the beholder".
Some will claim the earth is actually a spheroid, but a stationary one.
Most of these models have the sun, moon and stars circling above us, having the earth stationary like stated in the scriptures and by most ancient civilizations.
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====24-hour sun====
[[File:Sun_moon_rotation_small.gif|thumb|sun and moon circling over the earth]]
Most flat earthers believe the sun circles over us, and having a 24-hour sun near the antarctic circle would be impossible.
Others claim that it's possible that if a 24-hour sun is witnessed, it might be a "Solar simulator".
Some flat earthers have mentioned there might be two suns. If so, perhaps proper synchronization of the two suns could make it appear that there's a 24-hour sun, depending on where you're located.
On the 24-hour sun "proof" side, I've only seen several videos which were faked, that claim to show a 24-hour sun in Antarctica.
Clearly, we've got lots to figure out. If we're going to figure this out, freedom of exploration would have made this possible long ago.
====Aether Cosmology====
According to many scientists in history, aether, also known as the fifth element or quintessence, is the material that fills the region of the universe beyond the "terrestrial sphere".
Some flat earthers are against the idea of there being an aether, stating that the aether is just as bad of a discussion as the globers' dark matter theory. They say aether might as well be magic fairy dust.
According to the wikipedia evidence for the presence of aether was not found in the Michelson–Morley experiment, however, there's historic evidences that not only was Michelson–Morley experiment falsifying the spinning orbiting globe, but contrary to the wikipedia, the experiment actually provided
It's said that Albert Einstein's 1905 "special theory of relativity" could explain all of the experimental results without referring to an aether at all. This eventually led most physicists to conclude that the earlier notion of a luminiferous aether was not a useful concept.
But relativity has run into difficulties of its own. Its failure to explain the
In an astonishing twist of fate, the key to relativity’s salvation could lie in the aether. Since the early 2000s, a small group of researchers have claimed that this invisible, space-filling substance could have the power to unify physics. Then, in late 2018, two independent groups suggested that the similarity between the aether and the shadowy powers that populate our cosmos may not be mere coincidence. <ref name="aethers back"></ref>
====Upward moving earth====
The upward moving earth theory is a theory that explains why things "fall". Like the globe's gravity theory, some flat earthers believe the flat earth is moving through space in an upward vector, so that when you drop an object - it isn't actually falling; rather, the earth is moving up to meet the object.
Currently I am not convinced of an upward moving earth, however I must do more research on this topic. I am not able to provide a full unbiased view into this theory. I have to admit to have actually trolled and accused the Upward earth moving content creators of being part of the flat earth society, which they say, the flat earth society actually claims the earth is stationary.
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====Spiritually / Religion====
Without a doubt, in all walks of life, there are those who are religious and those who are not. But, it's a bit more complex than just black and white. There's a certain shade of grey that we need to consider as well.
I hear it all the time though, that there's many flat earthers that became believers of the creator through learning "biblical cosmology" and unlearning the heliocentric scientism nonsense that seems it's purpose is to hide God and his beautiful creation from us.
There's a huge list of religious people who've accused some flat earthers as hating Jesus, stating they are definitely going to hell, and further more, they must be controlled opposition if they deny Christ.
I've also heard some flat earthers say there's no way to heaven if you believe in the satanic globe lie! I can't find evidence in the Bible for that one, and tend to think they've gone a bit too far.
I don't want to paint myself as being on the fence here, but I tend to think that people who are looking for the truth are heading the right direction. Even if I feel they haven't yet achieved my idea of a Godly person, I have to at least evaluate the content as being somebody who's either on the right track or maybe completely lost in the sauce. ▼
▲I don't want to paint myself as being on the fence here, but I tend to think that people who are looking for the truth are heading the right direction. Even if I feel they haven't yet achieved my idea of a "Godly" person, I have to at least evaluate the content for myself as being somebody who's either
Historically Religion itself has had a bad wrap. There's been so many who have broken the commandment of Thou shall not kill, and yet labeled killing as doing God a favor. Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, meanwhile bowing to statues of people like Mary - and labeling her as a holy "Queen of heaven". ▼
▲Historically Religion itself has had a bad wrap. There's been so many who have broken the commandment of Thou shall not kill, and yet labeled killing as doing God a favor. Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, meanwhile bowing to statues of people like Mary - and labeling her as a holy "Queen of heaven". <ref name="mary"></ref>
The catholic church and the Inquisition for example was a Court of the Catholic Church and the Protestant Church to combat those organizations that did not agree with their teachings. Many people were tortured, burned and beheaded. Meanwhile the Church members call themselves Christians.
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It's been said that the Bible has had over 7,000 replacements of God's name and Jesus' real name with Lord. Some scholars argue that there are many verses Added to the Bible, and there's clearly many books removed from the Bible.
Without going into a complete overview of the subject, there's plenty of reasons that researchers might run into questions. Just for sake of argument, perhaps these questions aren't meant to be "hells fire" on their tongue, but legitimate questions that would help them understand the truth.
There's been many religions, and many denominations. If you have problems with Flat earthers that can't even believe the same things, yet you consider yourself religious, then ask yourself, why can't all religions believe the same things?
Truth is a never ending journey. To accuse somebody of not knowing the truth is discouragement. We need to be loving and gently with those who are willing to bury their pride and relearn what they've already been taught.
The two greatest commandments are:
* Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.
* Love your neighbor as yourself.
Matthew 7:1<br>Judge not, that ye be not judged.
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<ref name="aethers back">[https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg24432543-300-einstein-killed-the-aether-now-the-idea-is-back-to-save-relativity/ newscientist.com: Einstein killed the aether. Now the idea is back to save relativity]</ref>
<ref name="mary">[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen_of_Heaven wikipedia.org: Queen of Heaven]</ref>
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